Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

So I am Kelsey joy, Brinker. I am a mom. I have two little ones. I just had a baby girl, so she’s five weeks and she’s a cutie and I have a four year old boy as well. I’ve been married for about five and a half years and I live near Los Angeles, California.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

Awesome. And I just found out before we were recording this, that you’re not Catholic, which was so surprising to me.

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

I’m not, I mean, I’m Christian, so I love it. And of course, you know,

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

That’s how I found Jesus. Right. So I love meeting and getting to know Protestant women because it feels a little bit like home to me. Right. Because that’s kind of what brought me into the church. Like lots of praying out loud, lots of Bible studies, lots of talking about Jesus. So, you know, I really find a great kinship, a sisterhood with, you know, moms who aren’t Catholic, but just love, love them some Jesus.

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Yes. Yes. And amen. 

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

How Did you find us then? How did you find masters?

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

So I was like, let me, let me go back in my mind. Yeah. I had a mom coach about a year ago. She introduced me to the model, which was introduced to her by her business coach. Okay. And at the time she was very, very new to it cause she had just learned it. And so I, she was teaching me and I thought it was really interesting. Cause at the time I, I kept like wanting something that was more practical that was like, I just want to know how to, how to do these things. How do I change? You know, my, my thinking, how do I really do that? Like instead of just think a different thought, like how do I practically do that? And so she was really excited when she learned this. Cause she knew that I would be, you know, excited to learn.

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

And at the time it was very confusing for me. I didn’t really like understand it that well. And I tried it here and there, but it just, it wasn’t working that great for me. And I knew of Brooke and the life coach school and all of that. And so I would try to listen to some of her podcasts to help me get clear on it, but I kind of stepped away from it for a little cause I just didn’t really see much happening. And obviously there was no like Jesus in, right. It’s very secular. So I still loved the concept and the idea of it. And I had actually posted in one of the Facebook groups asking if anyone knew of podcasts that had that the women knew the model or whoever was leading it and knew the model. But with Jesus in it, my friend, Stephanie, she has a podcast, 500 seconds to joy. He actually told me about you guys. So I looked you up and I started listening and I was, this was a while ago too. And so I kind of put that on the back burner also, but then like two months ago, I, I think I saw something you had posted. I don’t know. I saw something that made me look into masters and I was like, oh my gosh, that sounds great. Maybe I shouldn’t try this. So then I joined and I pretty much obsessively started listening to everything.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

Yeah, no, I love that. And I love the model and you know, for those of you that aren’t sure what we’re talking about in the model is a life coaching tool that helps you to see how your thinking is creating your feelings and how your actions are driven by those feelings. So a lot of mindset coaches say, you know, what’s happening in your life as a result of your thinking. And that sounds a little woo. But when you start breaking it down and you slow things down, you’ll see that when you have a thought, it creates a feeling and then that feeling is what drives your actions and your behavior. And then those actions are what creates a result in your life. That is usually either exactly like the thought that you had or related or a mirror of that. And and it’s so interesting. I have yet to find anything that disproves that and when, and just like you, it tells me when I learned it, I learned it in a secular space and it was so powerful. And I was like, how is this so powerful without Jesus? Like if we added the holy spirit into this, I can’t even imagine what we’d be able to do. And that’s really why we wanted to create masters.

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Yes. I love it.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

So what, so you didn’t join because of a particular pain point you were kind of just interested in managing your mind. What was maybe one of the first programs that you dived into? Cause we have a lot in there.

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Yeah. oh, I listen to like everything,

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

Then explain this to me because I think some women are busy and they hear that we have all these programs and they’re like, oh, that sounds overwhelming. And the thought that sounds overwhelming is one of the reasons that they don’t come. So can you explain to them how really you do get to do it at your own pace?

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Yeah. well for me actually, I started listening when I was like feeding my little one or when in the middle of the night, when I had to be up and all that stuff. And so I would just put one of my head pieces in and I would just choose something that sparked my interest and listened. And after, you know, listening to some of them, I just kept wanting to listen to them. So really just whatever I was feeling in the moment. I know the, the stress one was definitely a big one that, you know, that video that you guys have. And then the emotional process or the pain of processing and processing your emotions. Oh, that was really big because that was a big question for me with how the model is. I kept thinking of, well, this feels kind of surface when I have all these major feelings, how do I, how do I deal with that? And so those videos really helped me, I guess, be aware of, okay, I can actually process what I am feeling and then it switches into this, which makes more sense to me. Yeah,

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

Absolutely. And I think that’s my personality style too, where I tend to just, I tend to go in and just pick the thing that’s on my heart. I’m not necessarily like I’m going to start this program and I’m going to do it every day for 30 days. Right. Like I kind of popcorn around based on really, whatever it is that I’m struggling with that day. And so that’s certainly a way that you can approach it. And we’ve really, one of the things we ask ourselves often is, you know, what are the different personality types of the different learning styles? How are they interacting with our program? And what ways could we serve them more? So whether you’re kind of an, a type checklist person that wants to go through things in a very specific order or whether you’re more like us free spirits who just want to like play around you know, it really can work either way. That’s one of the things I really love about masters. So were you listening on, were you loading up the website and watching videos or were you listening by our private podcasts where we put content? Mainly

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Through the website, but then I would listen to the podcast also here

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

And they’re awesome. Have when you joined, we now have two private podcasts. Actually we have one that’s just replays of group coaching. So you can just kind of listen back to back of re replays of group coaching calls, which I love. But then we also were like, oh, I bet people want our regular class information that way. And we didn’t want to mix them. So we created a second one that every single one of our classes in order in a, in a podcast format. And I just think for moms that’s so helpful when we’re breastfeeding, like running around with little ones to listen in that way.

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Totally. Yeah.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

So can you give them a practical example of something maybe in your home or the way that you’re running your house or being a mom where you used to feel stressed or overwhelmed or something and how you’ve shifted that and how you think about it now?

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Yeah. definitely with obviously a newborn stress is real. But I think just trying to be aware of when I am getting either anxious or really stressed out, I have just been so much more aware of my thoughts and, and trying to actually believe that, okay, if I shift my thoughts, then I can actually feel high want. And so instead of because there were so many times before learning this stuff, it just felt very hopeless. And I felt like powerless because I didn’t realize I could really do anything about it. And so it now I feel like, oh, I have, I have a way to move out of this, this place, whether or not, of course, a circus circumstance changes, I at least can get in a better Headspace. And so when I’m, you know, rocking her or trying to get her to sleep or whatever I’m just consciously thinking, okay, you know, this is, this is not going to last forever. It’s the only a little bit of time. And so that definitely helps me have more peace and at least hope in the moment that it’s really not forever.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

Yeah. That was a big one for me. I don’t think I even realized how often I was saying that to myself, how often I was like, this is going to last forever. I’m going to be stuck here forever. I would use the word stuck a lot in my head or just like this sucks. And it’s going to be forever. I think when you have very little children or really you’re just going through any one of the difficult phases, teething, potty training, you know, screaming three-year-olds, whatever it is. It does sometimes feel like, oh my goodness, this could last forever. And now I’ve, I’ve done so much thought work on that, that I almost hear that thought in the color red it’s like, now there’s almost a color with it. And my brain will be like, oh, it’s going to be like this forever. And it’s like, woo.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

And I hear, I hear it differently as a lie. Right. And so very, so much quicker I’m able to go, oh, you know what, no. Remember this is just a phase. It might even be a long phase, but it certainly isn’t forever. And you know what? We love these kids and I’m here for this and I love my crazy circus life, you know, and I’m just able to kind of respond to my brain and calm myself down instead of spinning. Like I realized I used to spin and I would feel almost anxious. Like I was really trapped somewhere. And that has, I don’t know. I’ve just so much of that has melted away. It’s not never, but it’s, it’s so much less. Yeah, totally. What has your, has your husband noticed any difference in you?

Maybe a little bit. I try and talk to them a little bit about it, but he’s not like super familiar with any of this and he’s not into, you know, mindset stuff. He’s much more the calm, rational one in the relationship. So when I’m freaking out a little bit, he is like, you got to get ahold of your mind. You got to, you know, calm down. And so I was talking to him even this week about what I was learning, you know, with your guys as videos and, and I think it was encouraging to him cause he was thinking, oh good, there’s a, there’s a solution for her. Like this might really, you know, continue to help her. So I think just that alone is for him, he’s noticing that I have something that I can actually use right now and that I am trying to like put into practice instead of absolutely.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

We hear that a lot. We hear women say like, oh my husband’s been telling me things like this for so long, but it didn’t make sense. Or I didn’t know how he was able to manage his mind. And I don’t know if that’s, you know, because a lot of husbands or maybe like a type engineering type personalities or, or that it’s, that they’re men. It really doesn’t matter. But we hear that a lot that finally women are kind of able to do something and manage their thinking and really manage their emotions, which I think is what the husbands are saying. They’re kind of like getting it together and regulate that a little bit more. And we don’t know how to do that because no one teaches us. First of all, that we can, right. Nobody teaches us that we can regulate those big, big feelings.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

They just feel true. And no one teaches us to slow down our thinking and to even question it. And so, you know, I remember my husband would say that too, he’d be like calm down or this isn’t that big of a deal. Or you seem so upset right now. And I’d be like, because it’s upsetting, you know? And it felt so real. And now I’m like, oh, I was believing a bunch of things that weren’t true. There were still challenges, but I was making them so much bigger in my mind because I didn’t know how to look at them as facts, you know, I would take the facts, but then add this big fantastical story on top of it. That was, you know, always very dramatic and terrible. And and then I’d go to him with this big story and I could see in his face and be like, I just don’t know how to help you. And so, yeah, I think it is really nice to have a resource outside of your marriage, you know? Cause it, cause it feels not nice when our husbands are like clean it up, but like figure this out. Doesn’t feel great though. It’s nice to have something outside of the marriage, help us, help us do it. That,

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

But your dramatic cause is a big one. You’re being so dramatic. My gosh. Yeah.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

Yeah. And now it’s so funny because I tell my brain that I’ll be like, oh, brain, you’re being so dramatic right now. We don’t mean to freak out. It’s okay. Might just calm my brain down. And I, and I, I accepted to, I accept that my brain has these big, big thoughts and things. Everything is awful and I’m just able to see it now and calm myself down or talk myself down. So it doesn’t end up creating stress in my family, I think is really what I was doing before.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

So what else do you want to share? What else have you gotten out of the program or what’s maybe one of your favorite parts?

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Yeah, I think again, mainly the, the feeling more empowered just in general is, is a big thing because I often I’ll think with, you know, newborn hood and motherhood and all of that, I am definitely like a big dreamer. And so I have felt for a lot of my life kind of, I guess, stuck, not, not feeling like I could actually, you know, live out dreams or what I was going to do or all these things. And so being a mom definitely left me feeling that way. Also thinking I have, you know, I don’t have freedom or I, I don’t know how I’m going to do these things that I want. And so now having this, I can step into just feeling more hopeful, so much easier, easier, and actually believing, okay, you know, I’m in this season right now and I can still live out my dreams. Like I can still step into that. It just looks differently and I can choose to believe it’s going to be different. And there was something, oh, there was one of the, I think it was a podcast episode you guys did. And you were talking about the summer. Yes. It was the summer.

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

And I loved how you were saying that you can basically, you prepare for that day, you know, you said, oh, my kitchen’s open from like one to two or whatever. Then the rest is closed. And I love that because it was like, oh, that’s so good. Like I can actually set, set these kind of boundaries or, you know, just set up a schedule that for me, feels like I have some sense of control, have some, some sense of, you know, feeling like I have empowerment in this instead of just taking whatever comes at me. And so I, I just, yeah, I love just being able to feel that empowerment. When again, I thought I didn’t really have much of a choice and I just kind of had to accept what was thrown at me.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith:

Yeah. I, gosh, there’s so many topics you guys that I want to bring up to the podcast, but one of the ones that I’ll probably do a whole episode on is the idea that routines don’t give us peace. Cause I do a lot of one-on-one coaching where a mom will say, oh, I’m just so overwhelmed. If I could just get a routine or if I could just get a meal plan. And when we say that, what we’re really saying is I believe that when I have a routine in place, I’m going to feel either calm or prepared or in control. And the truth is you’re only feeling that way because of thoughts that you have routines don’t create peace, right? Routines are just there as a neutral circumstance, but when you’ve created a routine and you like it, or you think it’s going to help you, you wake up thinking, oh, I have a plan for today. And that gives you peace. And I just want all of you to know, you can think that without having a routine, you could just wake up and think, oh, I have a plan for today or I’m prepared. Or I, I know that I’m going to handle anything that shows up.

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Yeah, that’s right. The other thing that I loved was the main was it made the daily daily work where you, you were saying how you, God told you to learn to live your daily life. And that was so huge for me. And the one that you said, I am a problem solver. Oh my gosh. I’m so, so big. Because so much of my life, I felt like I wasn’t good at really coming up with solutions or I would say, I don’t know a lot, or I would go to people for help or, you know, suggestions or whatever. And so having that, I am a problem solver. I’m a problem solver.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith:

 I just love that Killer in there. Cause that’s when you feel special, like I’m just like, listen, I’m a killer problem solver and it’s great. And it’s true. And I think all moms are, and they’re just not giving themselves credit for it. Right. Like you guys are great problem solvers. And when you own that as your super power, it makes everything that’s coming up in the future. Feel a little less scary because they’re like, oh yes, stuff’s going to happen. And I’m going to figure it out like a book.

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Yes. So good. So yeah, that’s a Big one. 

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith:

Yeah. And, and that’s that you guys is in our love, your daily life kind of it’s, it’s kind of our goal setting program where we tell you not to set goals until you love your daily life. Because, you know, I think a lot of us can distract ourselves from our pain, with goal setting. We can like get really into making lists and setting goals because our life is painful. So we’re like, Ooh, I’m going to buy this beautiful planner. And I’m going to plan things. That’s going to make me feel better. And we’re kind of living in that land instead of just like, oh, why am I escaping into planning? What’s painful about my life. Like let’s slow it down and find out you’re probably just believing some lies is the truth of it. And then when we kind of dredge those up and look at them and then set them down, oh my goodness, you find that you just actually do love your house and you do like your children. And we don’t mind this guy that we married, you know, it just makes it a lot better. And I think that, that, oh, that’s just one of my dreams. Right. It’s just to help stay at home. Moms are really women everywhere. Just love their daily life that God called them to.

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Yeah. Yeah. It’s so good.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith:

So tell me what your experience has been like as a Christian. Like what, what are your thoughts about our program or how Catholic it is or anything that you have enjoyed or makes you uncomfortable? Just like all of it. Tell us all the things.

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

 Oh Yeah. I, well, I’m not super familiar with, you know, all of the Catholic traditions and all of that stuff, but it honestly hasn’t felt any more outside of Christianity than normal. Like it’s pretty much felt the same to me. Yeah. 

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

We just read a lot. I was thinking we don’t, we don’t really talk about specifically Catholic things a lot. We pray a lot and we bring the holy spirit in a lot, but that’s very everybody. 

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Exactly. And that’s what I love. I mean, that’s what I want. I want the holy spirit, Jesus. I want God. And that’s what you guys pretty much focus on. And that’s why I love it. That’s why I love having, especially having you talk about the model and then you’re saying like, let’s welcome the holy spirit though. Like that’s the main

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

Piece that was like to me in my mind, if you could just take the model, but do it with the holy spirit, you would just be unstoppable. And I really do believe that the holy spirit lives inside of us. And that’s where our inner knowing comes from. Like when you just sit down and you slow it down and this wisdom will just come out of you, you’ll just have these ideas and ladies, they’re not your ideas. Okay. It’s God sending down the holy spirit, giving you the gift of wisdom and the model, I think just gives you a container, like an organization to encounter and interpret the holy spirit. It just gives you slots. It’s like, you’re filling in a worksheet with God. And you’re like, okay, God, I’m having this thought, you know? And it just clears things up. So yeah. I just think the two together is, is so, so powerful.

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Yeah, I agree.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

So the model is something, you know, what I love about the model is it’s very simple, but it never gets old. And I always find ways to go deeper with it or to apply it to something new. And then listen, you guys, I’m like a year into this. I’m not 10 years into this. I’m one year into knowing the model. And I can’t even imagine what I’m going to be saying about it in 10 years, because it really is the tool that I use every day. And I just find the more I use it, the more awareness it’s giving me, like I’m just peeling back layers in my mind. Is that kind of, has that been your experience?

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Yeah, definitely. I mean, now that I’m more familiar with it it’s I definitely love it more when I first heard about it. I thought it was like really cool concept, but again, I didn’t know really the, like how to do it. And so now that I am actually learning it and you guys have so much, so many more layers that you add to it, which is so helpful because when, you know, when you first hear it it’s for me, it sounded like kind of surface-y and shallowly, but with everything else that added, but you guys have said, it makes more sense to me and I feel I’m a big feeler. So I’m able to tap into, you know, the feeling aspect of it instead of I guess the brain aspect of it. Yeah.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

So tell me, okay, so tell me about your business in your ministry. You’ve been doing work for a while, so describe kind of what it was before. And then I know you’re changing things up right now. Tell me, was that a result of, of mindset works the first, tell us kind of what you were doing and then tell us what you are doing and maybe how the model or mindset work kind of played into that transition.

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Yeah. So about two and a half years ago, maybe I there’s like so much backstory to that, but I started my ministry. I called it joy by design and I felt like God was telling me that you were designed for joy. And it was like a tangible joy, like his presence, joy, you know, and my middle name is joy. So it was really cool cause it was, you know, like a tag on that. And so I started making that on Facebook and it was just a place that I was trying to encourage women and like write and try and, you know, make videos speak and all that. And it was, it was really cool seeing kind of how that was unfolding. And then I started thinking about starting a podcast and this was very much on the whim. And so I kind of transitioned from drove by design to kingdom dreamers because I have always been such a big dreamer.

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

And at the time I hadn’t felt for like so much of my life. I hadn’t felt like I knew what God wanted me to do. I had these big dreams, but I didn’t know what the heck it looked like. And so when I was starting to kind of transition, it was so I don’t know, it was so amazing and encouraging to see like, God was pretty much saying to me like, Hey, dream big. Like you can me, like, it’s okay to be a dreamer. And so I started realizing, oh my gosh, maybe this is what I’m supposed to be doing. This is that, that fulfilling parts in my heart is finally going to be done through this. Cause I, you know, at the time when I was little, I wanted to do like acting and all kinds of, you know, non-practical things. So then I started doing my podcast and I just started basically doing more.

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

But I then became a coach. I started doing some coaching sessions because a bunch of my friends were also coaching and they thought, Hey, you know, you could be really good at this. Yeah. Yeah. So then I started just doing some, like, I call them like kingdom breakthrough coaching sessions where I just help women step into what the kingdom looks like. You know, what breakthrough with God and the holy spirit looks like. And then I transitioned to Kelsey joy co still, I mean, it’s my, but I just felt like this way I could have kingdom dreamers as almost more of my mission, I guess, because dreaming is such a big thing for me. So yeah, that’s kind of where I’m at and writing and speaking and encouraging women. That’s just what I love and what I want to do and help women step into who God has created them to be. Yeah.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

I love that. And I think, you know, that was really our dream too, was to just like inspire women to then turn around and inspire women who inspire women. Like we are building the kingdom of God here and everything we do is for the glory of his kingdom. And you know, here’s what I want to say to all of you listening, right? Not everybody wakes up with creating a podcast on their heart. Not everybody wants to live a big out loud life or to be a writer or to do this kind of work. But so if you do, if you do wake up feeling like that, she’s probably calling you to do that, right. Like it’s not everyone. And I’m glad because we all have different talents and different moments, but you know, I love that you’ve said yes to this calling and that you’ve been willing to kind of step out and be brave because we need women to do that.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

We need to be his hands in the world. And I think we, we don’t talk enough about building the kingdom of God. You know, we get so busy with our kids and cooking dinner and all of that. And that is building the kingdom of God too. But just really realizing that the work we do is building this actual kingdom for God’s and actual real thing. And in God’s economy, it just looks so different than what the world values and when we really align with that, it just feels amazing. It feels amazing to do what God made you to do. Yeah,

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Totally. I feel so much more aligned than ever, and I never, never expected to be doing any of this. So it’s really cool to see

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

It is so cool to see. So tell me a little bit about, you know, I have this, I have this question for you. I was wondering if like, when you were doing this work and you were really in, you were pregnant, was it different when you were pregnant and cause you know, we talk about fuzzy mom brain. Yeah. Yeah. And I was just wondering like, if I would be able to do this work as well, if I had fuzzy mom brain, or did you feel like it was different when you were pregnant than when you were not pregnant and after you were pregnant, what did it just feel different? 

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Well, boy, my pregnancy was horrible and I was sick the entire time. And I, that is actually kinda what, what made me go into trying to find more of like, I was desperate. I’m like, I need something, I need a relief somehow because I feel horrible all the time. Yeah. And so that’s, that’s when I really started looking for, you know, you, you guys, that’s how I found it more. And so I started trying to do this while feeling so bad because I thought, okay, maybe at least I could have emotional relief. So it helped, it definitely helps a little it was still really hard because of how I physically felt. Right. Yeah. It was, I was trying to like, how, how can I really put this into practice?

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

Yeah. But that’s what I was just wondering. Cause I just haven’t been pregnant since I’ve done this. And so I was just wondering, you know, while we’re physically so uncomfortable and emotionally and the hormones and everything, you know, are we still able to kind of tap into that awareness and kind of slow things down? So I was just curious because I just, you know, I haven’t been pregnant since, since I had this and that, of course, it’s my hope that we can still use mindset work to manage our thinking. So we don’t make it worse because of course like physical symptoms and hormonal things are real. We’re not gonna, you know, we’re not going to practice new thinking to change that. But of course the story that we add on top of those things causes so much more suffering than needs to be there. When we just say like, this is terrible, I can’t do this. It’s never going to be better. Or often in pregnancy we feel guilt. We feel like, oh, I’m not eating healthy enough. I should be doing more with the other kids. I should be cleaning more. I don’t know. There’s just a big guilt story that we lay on top of growing a human.

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Yeah. So true.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

Well, I think that’s so wonderful and thank you for being part of our community. Thank you for being brave. Like to me, it just feels so brave to step into, you know, anything that’s slightly different. And I just love that we’re all building the kingdom of God, you know, and in a culture that kind of hates all Christians right now. I feel like we have to band together. Like every time I find someone who loves Jesus, I’m like, you’re my people. Okay. You’ve got to believe in him. Cause it looks real rough out there right now. You know? And so I just, I’m so thankful that that you’re part of our program and, and that you’re going to take these tools and go help other women to find their dreams and to really just be coworkers with the Lord. Right. Because it’s so wonderful when we just let him tell us what our work should be. And then it feels so much easier, right? Like it feels like we can use his strength and his wisdom to get it done. So Kelsey, tell us again where people can find you the name of your podcast and, and the name of your website.

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Yeah. So my podcast is team dreamers and I’m in my Facebook group, kingdom, dreamers as well, which I’m in there a lot and I will have a website then very soon. And that will be Kelsey joy, co.com.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

Thank you. That is so fantastic. So if you want to follow Kelsey or you guys, if you have Christian women in your life, so you haven’t been wanting to send them, you know, to this podcast, send them to Kelsey’s because she knows the model of mindset work and loves Jesus. And so that might be a really great place for, you know, maybe you have family members or friends that aren’t Catholic and wanting a really lovely, safe Christian place that you can send them. So thank you for doing your work, Kelsey, thank you for your yes. Thank you for showing up the world and putting just love into the world. I’m so grateful for you and thank you so much for chatting with me on this podcast. It’s been a pleasure.

Guest: Kelsey Joy Rinker

Thank you so much. It’s been so great to love you guys.

Speaker: Sterling Jaquith

Thank you. That’s all great. All right. You guys have a wonderful day. We’re praying for you. And remember you are Made for Greatness.